Love Triangles, Ship Wars, and bonding over unpopular opinions with Visionaxry
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For the first episode of the podcast, I invited my good friend Sue, @visionaxry on Instagram, to share her editing journey. Our conversation is a heartwarming reminder of the unique ways in which the internet can bring people together. Please enjoy.
Liv: We've been following each other since, I was just going through our old messages, I think around the pandemic or, like, after that, which is so cool because most people I follow and interact with, I don't know why we just clicked and got along. Maybe because we edit the same stuff, but you're one of the people online that I feel like I talked to the most and over the years
Sue: Yes, same.
Liv: Yeah. It's so cool. I love it. But obviously, for people that don't know, or aren't familiar with your work or what you do online, do you want to explain a little bit about how you got into it or why you started in the first place?
Sue: Yeah. Okay. So around, like, in 2018, I started doing, pic edits, and it was mostly in the Teen Wolf fandom because I was a very vivid Teen Wolf fan, which I guess you can't really see now because I'm not really, I don't really edit it anymore, which is kind of sad, but doesn't matter. So I was doing picture edits, and I really, really liked it, but I really liked the video format. So at the end of 2019, I decided to try making videos, and I created my account that I have now. Visionary. I remember that you were definitely one of the first people who I saw and looked up to on Instagram and in this community. I don't even remember how we started talking, you and I. But I remember being like, I don't know. I was really happy that you actually interacted with me back, and we became friends over the years. I was like, wow, I can't believe she talks to me.
Liv: Oh, my God. Yeah. I've never had a friend over the Internet, I guess you could say. I've obviously heard of people who do that and meet up and everything, but I've never consistently talked to someone over the years, and it felt, like, natural and easy because it's over the phone, so it's hard to know what somebody's really like, but it was just so easy with you. And maybe because we could talk about shows and whatever we were posting, but, yeah, we just got so close, and I remember there would be times where I'd be like, oh, I don't want to edit. I feel overwhelmed. But I remember I would go to your account and see that you're still posting, and I would message you and be like, oh, I'm going through this. And we would just help each other, or at least be there for each other in a way that maybe people in our personal lives couldn't, or, couldn't even understand. And I feel like that really helped me continue to post and continue to even have an account in the first place, because there was somebody else, you out there that was going through very similar feelings, even though we've never met and we could talk to each other. And I just think that's so interesting. I don't know if you want to talk more about your perspective of that.
Sue: I totally agree. I was so scared when you said that you were going to, change the format of your account because I thought you were going to leave forever. I was like, no, please. It just feels like because you're the closest person. I don't really talk to a lot of people on Instagram, just commenting and stuff. Sure, I have a lot of people who I follow, who I admire, but they don't really feel very close, not as much as you do. So when you were saying that, I got the feeling that you were going to leave, I was like, no. It just felt like I was going to lose this huge part of this experience. And I was like, please, no. But then you said that you were just going to change the format of your account, kind of thing. So I was like, thank God. I'm really glad that, I know you've struggled for a while with editing and stuff, or with the way that you present your account. So I'm glad that you found a way to kind of change it a bit and still stay online. I think it's really great for me as well.
Liv: It's so special and important. I feel like online people nowadays don't really know, but it can actually really help people, especially younger people, or just people that feel alone. They're able to go online and find people all the way across the world. Like, you don't have to say exactly where you're from, but our time difference is 8 hours? 9? And we only figured that out recently, but just the way we're able to interact, it didn't seem like there was a time difference at all. It's just so weird. You never know. What has been like an editing highlight for you? Has there ever been one edit that blew up, or one edit that you love that maybe somebody sort of famous saw it? Or has there been like one specific moment that you can remember that made you want to keep editing?
Sue: When I edit something that's really special to me. Like my favorite show Generation. I love that show and it's so important to me. I feel like a lot of people, I've gathered a lot of people on my account up to this point that have seen the show, but when I first edited it, it felt like nobody had seen it beside me. And it felt so weird that I'm putting out some very special parts of me out there. This edit is very important to me. And I thought like, oh, it's not going to get any views, nobody's going to like it. But actually, I've noticed that a lot of my Generation edits. They actually got a lot of views. And I was like, wow. I see people saying, oh, this edit comforts me and stuff. That's what it does for me. That's why I made it. And it's the most special feeling of all. When people say that this edit made them feel what it made me feel, I'm like, yes, this is what I wanted. The thing that, you said about, actors noticing the edits and stuff, that has happened to me quite, well, not a lot of times, but I'd say, like at least ten times. It's like, a blip. I am shocked every time. Especially because I don't live in the US, I live across the world. So it's even more surreal to me that people, they're just like people who watch on their little phone, my edit, that I made in my bedroom and I'm like, this is insane that you saw that. Crazy. Yeah, it's really nice. I mean, I try not to get into parasocial relationships. So I don't often tag the actors that are in my edits just because I don't know, to me, I just try to distance myself from that. I'm just making the characters, the edit of the characters. I don't really try to connect with the actors and stuff. But it's still very nice when they notice it and they like it. I'm just so grateful for that. And it's really cool that the people who share my edits and follow me, they really give me the opportunity to connect with the actors as well. So that's really cool.
Liv: Yeah. Like, when people in your comments start tagging the person in the edit and then they see it and it does feel surreal because you've watched them on this show, you've downloaded the scene pack, you've edited it. By that point, you don't even seem like they're real, like a real person. And then they like your edit, sometimes comment or whatever, put it on their story, and you're like, whoa, you're real. And this is something that you saw and you acted in. It's just such a surreal feeling. It's so strange. It'll never feel normal.
Sue: Yeah, agreed.
Liv: And then you said, your Generation edits. I love your Generation edits because you're one of the only people I feel like that edits it and not just the most popular parts. Like, you really kind of get into it, just, like, the angles of it that aren't really explored. And you found that that does resonate with a lot of people. And I think that's true because even though the show isn't so popular, if there's not a lot of edits, the really good ones stand out. And I feel like that's why yours are so popular, because people search Generation edit, and, of course, yours is, like the first one. You said in the comments, when people are vulnerable and they share, like, I'm going through a really tough time, and this made me feel better. I do think that makes it all worth it, and it does motivate me in a way that I couldn't motivate myself. It has to come from outside of myself to feel like it really is making an impact. Do you agree?
Sue: Yeah, absolutely, I do. I wonder, what is your favorite thing to edit?
Liv: I had a whole Euphoria era, but then that kind of went away. But I think Outer Banks. I love editing Outer Banks.
Sue: Outer Banks is the first thing that, when I think about you, this is, like, your brand. Honestly, you capture Outer Banks in such a unique way, because, just like, the songs you use, the style that you edited in, I don't know, it just has such unique energy. I really love coming back to your JJ edits and JJ and Pope, and it's, like, so perfect every time.
Liv: I love that show so much. I'm so excited for season four.
Sue: Me too. I just enjoy the show no matter how crazy it gets. So, every time, it's a win, because I don't care. I'm not even going to dissect the plot and how plausible it is. I don't care. I'm just here for the ride. I really like it either way.
Liv: Yeah, I love all the characters. So no matter what they do or say, it's entertaining to me. Yeah, we kind of talked about this, but the question is, what do you think it is about your edits that resonates with people. I would say just how vulnerable you can get and how you can, like, you edit things that are sort of unpopular and you make them popular because obviously people want to watch it after watching your edit. But what do you think it is?
Sue: I don't know. I've never really thought about it, honestly. I don't know if that’s a bad or a good thing. I guess, I've been told that the way I make edits, I wasn't told by a bunch of people. Just some people told me that they like the way I capture the theme of the edit. I get one thing, and the way I present it in the edit, it's very, like, I don't know. I don't want to sound, like, conceited, but it's poetic or something. And I'm just like, I don't know. That's what people, a few people told me that I make edits for comfort. So I guess when people seek comfort and they see, like, they get that from my edit, I guess that's what they resonate with.
Liv: Yeah,
Sue: I hope.
Liv: I do feel that from your edits. It does feel like a friend coming over to give you a hug. That's what your edits feel like. To me, it just feels, like, so comforting, that’s a good word for it.
Sue: That's the best. That's what I want.
Liv: Oh, I really want to talk about collabs in editing because I feel like that's also what brought us close, because we both had bigger platforms and we both wanted to “revamp” the community in ways. So over the years, we would host these collabs, which, for people that don't know, basically a collab is like one or two or three people on instagram will choose a theme, and then they will post, parts and then a due date, and then. This is hard to explain, but basically, people in the comments request a part that they want to do, whether it be like a tv show, movie, or character. Everybody that entered and got accepted on the due date has to post an edit of said character, show or movie. And I guess it's, like, sort of a way to bring people to other people's accounts in a new creative way with a hashtag. And we've done a couple in the past. There's no rules, really. And then we also hosted a Tagged collab, a Tagged TV show, because we love tagged Tagged. So underrated. Nobody talks about it. So we were like, we need to bring this to people's attention.
Sue: I think it's such a cool idea in general, and I still do, honestly, just like days ago I was thinking, hm, so my birthday is coming out this month, so I was like, maybe I should host a birthday collab. But then I'm like, But it's so much organization comes into it. I don't know. For me personally, it just feels, very, It's not that anxiety inducing, honestly, but it's just like, a lot of work for me. I don't know why. It's not that hard, honestly, to make a collab, but I guess it is for me. So I was like, nah, I'm not going to do it. But maybe we should. Maybe we should do it one day, because the concept is so cool. I feel like, we do talk to each other on Instagram, and to other editing accounts, but it's not like we're all that close. And it's so cool to bring a bunch of people together and create something together. And it's also, an opportunity for the person hosting to share the things that they like because it's usually my favorite characters or my favorite ships or couples or my favorite shows. It's just a fun thing to do.
Liv: Yeah. I love when people do birthday collabs because it does feel like you're really getting to know them because everything is about them. And then someone you otherwise wouldn't even have known. Now you know so much about them and you just feel, like, closer or at least you can find similarities all through someone you'll never meet. And I think that's just a cool way to keep Instagram or just editing in general, alive and unique and personal. Oh, this is my favorite question. This is what I really wanted to get into. we've obviously bonded over our someone say, unpopular opinions of popular, tv show ships and ship wars and all of that, the love triangles of it all. And that's something that I guess recently has really ramped up with My Life With The Walter Boys, The Summer I Turned Pretty. It's just love triangle every turn, and it can cause a lot of tension online. I don't know why people are so passionate about this. I mean, I'm passionate about it, so I guess I get it. But I want to talk to you about it because we agree on the most unpopular ones. Like, we are both team Jeremiah.
Sue: Yes.
Liv: We're both Ruby over Maeve for Sex Education. Not so much with this last season, I guess. But at the time, we were very much Ruby. Everybody was against us, not everybody, but it felt like it. But what do you think about shipwars? Do you think that ruins watching a show? Are you thinking about that, or are you just in it?
Sue: Well, honestly, I hate love triangles. or I guess the better way to say it is I hate love triangles that are done bad. I think there are good love triangles where actually, like, both pairings of the love triangle. So whichever one happens, I like both writings for both ships, but that happens very rarely. I can't even think of one off top of my head. It really annoys me when a love triangle, first of all, love triangles with siblings have to stop, please. It's so disgusting.
Liv: It's bad.
Sue: I, can't watch stuff like that. I mean, I do watch stuff like that, but I wish I didn't.
Liv: Yeah.
Sue: When a show makes, the love triangle like the show, it's the most important part of the story. When it's hard to enjoy that story of the love triangle, the whole show just kind of, like, sucks because of it. I was just recently, thinking about how I didn't watch My Life With The Walter Boys, but I did watch recaps, so I pretty much know what happens in the show. And for some reason, the vibe of the show reminded me of Ginny & Georgia.
Liv: Yeah, I felt that, too.
Sue: And, Ginny And Georgia, when I first watched it, I didn't like the first season, but when the second season came around, I really love the show now. I love Ginny & Georgia. I don't know what happened, but season two kind of changed my whole perspective on the show. but the thing is, I was just comparing the love triangle in the first season of Ginny & Georgia between, Marcus and…
Liv: Oh, I forgot about that. Hunter.
Sue: Yeah, exactly. That love triangle, it was just like a stop along the way. Like, it wasn't the whole point of the series. It was just like a plot that happened. And if you don't like the love triangle, it doesn't take away from the enjoyment of the show with, The Summer I Turned Pretty or, like, My Life With The Walter Boys I feel like if you don't like where the show is going with the love triangle, it's hard to enjoy it. It's hard to watch. I couldn't finish season two of The Summer I Turned Pretty because I was just so mad at everything and the writing and the main character. I don't know. I know you're a team Belly. I respect that.
Liv: [Laughing] If you can be, I mean, I'm trying. It's hard.
Sue: I don't know. I can't take the disrespect of Jeremiah and just the messiness of it all between the two brothers. I can't.
Liv: Yeah, I agree.
Sue: What was I even talking about? Right. Love triangles. So. Yeah, that's what I was talking about. Right. I forgot.
Liv: Yeah. Ship wars, people online hating.
Sue: I feel like I always go for the underdog in everything. Not even in ship wars, just, like, in general, when people don't like someone, not because of reasons, but because they just don't like them, I'm just like, no, I like them. You know what? I like them. They're actually my favorite person ever.
Liv: Yeah. This is why we get along. This is why we bonded, because we get hate for, like. I mean, I don't want to say nothing. I guess people can have their opinion, but when you really think about it, the things that, I mean, at least I've gotten hate comments for, it's literally just my opinion. And it's not like I'm forcing it on anyone or telling them they're wrong. It's literally just my opinion. But because it's about something that people are so passionate about, the ship war, they take it so personally, and then they just send a hate comment. But I do think that's funny because people are very passionate.
Sue: So sad that you got hate comments. I think because you have a much larger audience than mine, you get more comments in general. So maybe that's why. But I don't remember really getting a lot of negative comments under anything, under any polarizing edits.
Liv: Oh, that's good. What, is up with my comments? I don't know. I need to do some searching because some people get vicious, or sometimes I'll just get a message, like a DM, and they'll be like, I hate this, or something mean. And I’m like, okay, block. I find myself going through periods of time where I don't have ideas creatively. Since this podcast is called BoredFM, my instagram is boredxm, or boredom, with an X. I love the concept of boredom because that's why I started my account. I was bored. I wanted to find something to do, obviously. I find myself going through periods of time where I don't really have ideas creatively. And that's usually when I'll message you, be like, want to do collab or something? But when you feel, like, bored or nothing really going on creatively, you're, not watching any shows. You don't feel like editing. What do you do in those times to inspire? Or do you stay like that and just kind of wait for it to pass or what's that like for you?
Sue: I feel like the feeling that you describe, I get something more like depression. I feel depressed a lot. I've had depression, but, in those times, I guess, I just turn to comfort tv shows and I just watch them on loop, and I don't really edit, obviously, I don't have the ideas in my head for that, so I just kind of become a vegetable and watch stuff that I've seen already 100 times until I get out of the loop, I guess. But it's a really sad time, and I'm also sad that you go through those periods of time.
Liv: It's really not fun.
Sue: Yeah. when I don't have ideas for edits or nothing going on creatively in my head, it's a very disheartening time. I just feel like this is it. I'm never going to do anything again.
Liv: I get like that, too. And it honestly wasn't until recently, since I started to do this podcast and everything that started to feel like less of a weight on me because it felt like I wasn't really doing what I wanted to do. But I also didn't know what I wanted to do. So it kind of took a while. Your tumblr inspired me to branch out to other creative platforms I remember seeing your tumblr. When did you make that?
Sue: I don't even remember. I think 2020, probably, or maybe even 2019. And I don't post there ever. Well, I do post there, but like once a year, so it's not a very active tumblr, but yeah.
Liv: Did you make that to get out of one of those situations or just to sort of find a new way to be creative on a different platform?
Sue: I remember I created it because I wanted to, I guess, blog and write about the stuff that I watch. I definitely was planning to post more there. I was planning on writing more lengthy essay pieces about tv shows and movies that I watch, but I guess it fizzled out and I didn't really do much more of that, but I do do some things there.
Liv: I remember seeing that and feeling really inspired. I mean, I'm creating, like, a website to go along with this podcast.
Sue: That's so cool.
Liv: I'll explain it more when I can message you about it. But your tumblr really inspired that, I do have to say, because it made me, I guess, realize or remember that there are other places to express creativity. I don't know, but it took you making that tumblr to make me feel like I could also branch out to a different platform. Like I was really inspired by that. So I feel like you should keep that up because you never know who could read it. And you don't have to stick to a schedule. You can just do it whenever you feel really inspired to write. I, can just speak for myself. Since I started doing this, it really has made my creativity feel like less of a job or like a chore because I'm switching it up and doing things that, I haven't before or exploring things or asking new questions. And, yeah, it just really helped bring back my creativity. Like, I set this all up for the podcast.
Sue: Yeah, I wanted to say that you have an amazing background. So many posters. It looks so cool, like you're in an indie bedroom. It's really great. I think it's incredible. I've liked how you do use other platforms, like how you kind of post. I don't know if you still do because I'm not on TikTok. But you did post on TikTok. Your edits. That’s really cool. The fact that you're starting this whole thing. I feel like it's such an incredible project. I'm really, really proud that you're doing it. I had no idea that my little old tumblr even slightly inspired you. Thank you. That's incredible. I'm definitely keeping that up. Don't worry. I really hope this project, will be a huge success, and I can't wait to see how it goes.
Liv: Oh, that makes me so happy. And then last question. Good question. Do you think boredom, or maybe depressive times, is necessary to be creative? And I'm not saying you need to be depressed to have good ideas, but I mean, like, you hear all these creative people, the most creative people are little crazy. Like, not crazy, but they just have a lot emotions going on all the time. Because you're so creative, you have deep passions for things that, that can also kind of come out on the other end with deep sadness, deep happiness, and you just feel things very intensely. Do you think that's necessary to then be creative and have ideas?
Sue: Honestly, no. I don't think we have to be depressed to create stuff. I do think one, of the reasons why we create the stuff that we do create is because, well, I'm going to speak for myself because, I don't know, I'm, not going to speak for you, but I do create the edits that I do because I feel very, sad a lot of the time and very, like, none of this has any meaning. Depression stuff. So I do think that I try to hang on the things that bring me joy, which not a lot of things do, but it's mostly, like, creative stuff. But I think it’s not that I create that, because of the things that I'm going through. It's that I am just a creative person. And unfortunately, I, feel like maybe because of the way that I see the world, I go through the mental stuff that I do go through, and I try to escape in the positive art. So, to answer your question, I don't think we have to be bored or depressed to create art. I think that's just how we are for now. And hopefully, as we become stronger mentally, I guess, and just like, more settled in life, it will become more and more brighter. I'm saying that, and I don't even believe in my words because how can it? But let's try and hope that it will become better and, we won't be depressed or bored, and we will have, the creativity still in our lives, and we will just be more happier. Happier, yeah.
Liv: That's a really good perspective to have. Healthy, because it's true. when I was younger, it did feel harder and more intense, whereas now it feels lighter. Not because I don't have depression, but because you're growing into yourself and you learn how to deal with your emotions better, and it's not so much teen angst, and it kind of just gets better with age. I mean, I agree with that for sure, because, yeah, maybe it's not necessary, but maybe it is part of why we are then motivated to create something. Because you're like, oh, I want to get out of this. And then maybe that's why people can resonate with it. They comment like, this brought me comfort because maybe they're not able to express that creative side of themselves, but then they can go online and see it. It's just so interesting to me because I think it also has to do with just, like, being young in this time and being depressed. Depression is so high right now for young people. Maybe social media adds to it, but maybe it also helps it in a weird way.
Sue: Yeah. I feel like as long as you stay on the positive side of the social media, you will get the better things out of it. And I feel like the editing community, at least the one that we are a part of, is definitely a positive thing.
Liv: Definitely. I mean, I do get once in a while. Not a lot, but I will get hate. But that's only on edits that are polarizing. Think if it's like a ship war.
Sue: I'm still shocked about that. I thought we were all friends here.
Liv: Literally like, I thought we were all just here for fun, having a good time, and then I get, like, a hate comment. I'm like, whoa, you're taking this serious. I thought we were just having fun.
Sue:This is all just silly videos!
Liv: It's just a silly fun time, okay!
This conversation is more than TV shows and editing; it's a deep dive into the culture of online fandoms and the unexpected, meaningful relationships that can emerge from a shared passion. It's a story of two individuals who, despite never meeting in person, have supported and inspired each other through their love for storytelling and creativity.
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